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Wayne Hart, Ph.D: Transactional Analysis - Practical Tools For Leaders-Coaches and Organizations

Episode 63

About Wayne Hart: He has over 50 years of experience applying transactional analysis as an executive coach, as a petroleum company executive, as a business owner of an information management company, as a psychologist, as a leadership development trainer, and he was a board member of three organizations; a community health center, a sustainable organization, and a professional organization. In each of those settings, he worked with different models for understanding people and producing outcomes and through it all, transactional analysis has been a universal model for understanding himself and others and for getting things accomplished. He is now dedicated to teaching others how to apply transactional analysis in their settings, under whatever conditions or challenges they face. Wayne was Senior Faculty at the Center For Creative Leadership from 1999 to 2018 and his publications include, “Feedback and Performance Reviews” and “7 Keys To Successful Mentoring”.


In this episode, Jordan and Wayne Hart discuss:

  • What is transactional analysis?

  • The drama triangle and games

  • Developing into an adult ego state

  • Understanding the rescuer

Key Takeaways

  • Transactional analysis is a theory of personality and methods for managing both our own behavior and that of others. A personality is a collection of patterns of behavior that are recurring enough that a person can be known by those patterns of behavior which includes thoughts, feelings, actions

  • There’s three roles in a drama triangle: the rescuer, the victim, and the persecutor. Being in a drama triangle becomes especially dysfunctional when a person is in a trap or in a game where they switch roles back and forth.

  • Developing into an adult ego state means identifying patterns that you’ve acquired growing up, authenticating them or ruling out things that are not useful, relevant, or accurate anymore.

  • People are complex, rescuers spend a percentage of their energy both in the victim and persecutor role. It’s important to understand that when they are rescuing, there’s an injury they’re trying to get fixed and a part of them is unhappy with themselves and other people.

“I help people recognize the pattern that is rescuing, help them recognize that in themselves and teach them to use a different ego state - for instance, one that has compassion but also sets firm limits.”— Wayne Hart

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Jordan Goldrich

Your host, Jordan Goldrich, grew up in a loud New York family and once lost an executive position because of his style. He is co-author of the Amazon Best Seller, Workplace Warrior®: People Skills For The No-Bulls**t Executive, Chief Operations Officer, Master Corporate Executive Coach, and Licensed Clinical Social Worker. His guests are part of his international network of Workplace Warrior® executives, master corporate executive coaches, and thought leaders. Each guest will engage you in conversation about their successes, mistakes, and solutions. You will get strategies for being completely authentic, while you fulfill your commitment to your organization, build positive relationships, and take performance to an even higher level.

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